Path: inforamp.net!ts1-14.inforamp.net!user From: poynton@poynton.com (Charles Poynton) Newsgroups: comp.text.frame Subject: Re: Q: *Empty* Pages Between Chapters Date: Sun, 03 Sep 1995 03:11:45 +0000 Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <41pmll$k9o@hera.easynet.de> <41sth7$5ou@bug.rahul.net> <42550l$g5e@jabba.ess.harris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-14.inforamp.net Dear Frame, Request for "enhancement": Repair Generate/Update so that pages are neither added nor deleted from book components in order to satisfy odd/even page conditions between components. Instead, simply maintain page numbers appropriately. When Printing a whole book, insert completely empty pages as necessary. This is important because standsard practice in book publishing is "no folio on blank verso" pages -- Frame Technology itself adheres to this convention in its own manual Using FrameMaker, and few of your users would suspect that you have to intervene manually at every edit cycle to get this behavior from your product. C. Dear Framers, In article <42550l$g5e@jabba.ess.harris.com>, Cheryl Woodside [sic]wrote: > ... when you generate the book, and it reads that a chapter must start on > a right page ("Read from File"), it adds the extra page to the previous > chapter and changes the chapter's setting to "Even Pages." I've confirmed this to be Frame's behavior, and I don't like it. As far as I'm concerned, Frame has no business messing with the settings of Chapter 5 just because Chapter 6 starts on a right page. There's no logical reason for it. Chapter 5's Delete Empty Pages and Chapter 6's Start on Right Page are in no way inconsistent.-- Frame just needs to keep track of the page numbers, and needs to make sure that appropriate empty pages are imaged (a PostScript showpage and nothing else) when a book file is printed. But Frame changes Chapter 5's settings upon Generate/Update, depending on Chapter 6's settings. Yecch. If the implementation of Frame requires that a page be added to Chapter 5 in order to properly accommodate the intervening empty page, OK, but that page should have a master of None and it should evaporate of its own accord if Chapter 5 grows. If I WANT headers and footers on blank versos this is easy -- I can set each chapter to "Make Page Count Even". That will cause a Left master to be used without any intervention on my part, and "the right thing" happens on insertion and deletion of pages. > [Frame's] own Users Manual has blank last pages when page count is odd. This is the convention in book publishing: "No folio on a blank verso." I'm about to deliver a 350 page book to Wiley, and I'm going to be annoyed to make a pass through to manually set all those blank versos to None to conform to Wiley's house style. Then I'll be annoyed again when I re-edit, because those damn None pages stick around unless explicitly deleted. I confess I had assumed that Frame would work correctly, and my suspicion was confirmed -- in error, it seems -- by a glance at the Frame manual. C. Charles Poynton [Mac Eudora, MIME, BinHqx] tel: 416 486 3271 fax: 416 486 3657